Regarding interest in religion, regrettably IMHO, a large number of Americans have put way too much religion into politics, specifically, those who are hard core George W. supporters. It is my belief that religion should make the individual a better person, thus making the community a better place to live. Morality and religious values cannot and should not be legislatively dictated, which unfortunately seems to be the inclincation of the current US administration. I admire my Canadian neighbors to the north for being able to keep politics and religion separate.
mrs rocky2
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LIAR
by talesin inim a liar, ooh, im a liar.
but if youll give me another chance i swear ill never lie to you again.
i lie you, i feel good, i am a liar, yeah.
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by talesin inim a liar, ooh, im a liar.
but if youll give me another chance i swear ill never lie to you again.
i lie you, i feel good, i am a liar, yeah.
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mrs rocky2
I must admit, Canadians know much more about American politics than Americans themselves. With that in mind, we Americans are hard pressed to keep up with Canadian politics. But I feel your anger!
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Honest fading a myth?
by Fatfreek inis honest fading possible?.
i've thought several times that if i had it to do over again, living in this age of jwd with all its online support and encouragement -- along with the huge resource of the internet -- that i'd have faded slowly instead of allowed the disfellowshipping because of apostasy.. on the other hand i wonder if that's all stupid speculation, wishfully thinking it would have prevented the cutting off and the shunning of the remaining family members, especially the children.. i know you'll correct me if i'm wrong on the following premise but i suspect if a person is honest, he cannot prevent the disfellowshipping -- in a great many cases.
i believe that it all depends on the vigilance of the local elders and how penetrating they are in their questions, and how perceptive they are with your answers during sheparding calls.. "um ... brother, we've missed your presence at the meetings and in the field ministry and we're certainly here to help you, but wonder if you've actually lost your faith that jehovah's earthly organization is the correct one.
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I don't know how folks handle leaving the Borg without their family. Altho' I couldn't stay even if they rest of them continued. It was just way too depressing!
But more details on the family shunning business...even though we have had several years to prepare for the inevitable, it still hurts when family chooses to follow an organization blindly and write off blood ties.
My half-brother stopped talking to us when we quit attending the meetings and has not shown any interest in his nieces (his loss, I might say). My sister continues to believe that she can talk to me as long as an announcement is not made at the KH, however she never initiates contact (she'll talk to me if she catches me on instant messenger). My elderly parents...my father must set a 'proper example.' He has been the PO of his congregation until recently when my mother's health required more attention. He does not respond to e-mails and has told our youngest daughter that she "shouldn't talk to her dad." My mom is the most distressed. She won't call our house for fear Rocky will answer the phone. She calls me at work when she thinks my dad won't know and has instructed me to call her cell phone when I know my father isn't around. Being several hundred miles has cushioned some of the emotional impact of being shunned by them. Locally, Rocky's brother and sis-in-law absolutely hate us! We dragged their names into the local paper with our letter to the editor after Rocky's official DFing. Rocky's mom continues to speak to us, but closes her WT publications/Bible when we are at her home. She really doesn't have much choice. She is widowed and Rocky is the primary administrator of her finances. But the local JWs have put extreme pressure on her to turn down rides from us to town for doctoring, grocery shopping and the like. I find all of this hilarious, a bit like disturbing an ant pile!
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Honest fading a myth?
by Fatfreek inis honest fading possible?.
i've thought several times that if i had it to do over again, living in this age of jwd with all its online support and encouragement -- along with the huge resource of the internet -- that i'd have faded slowly instead of allowed the disfellowshipping because of apostasy.. on the other hand i wonder if that's all stupid speculation, wishfully thinking it would have prevented the cutting off and the shunning of the remaining family members, especially the children.. i know you'll correct me if i'm wrong on the following premise but i suspect if a person is honest, he cannot prevent the disfellowshipping -- in a great many cases.
i believe that it all depends on the vigilance of the local elders and how penetrating they are in their questions, and how perceptive they are with your answers during sheparding calls.. "um ... brother, we've missed your presence at the meetings and in the field ministry and we're certainly here to help you, but wonder if you've actually lost your faith that jehovah's earthly organization is the correct one.
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mrs rocky2
There appears to be a double standard and rules ("guidelines" and "suggestions") that are applied differently from congregation to congregation. After 7 years of fading, Rocky was DF'd but I haven't been, although I am being shunned by family and congregation as if I were DF'd. We tried to lay low as long as possible because of the consequences (obligatory shunning by family members). But the brother who ran interference with the elders for us died suddenly so the elder(s) with a vendetta against Rocky were free to come after him, which they did. He was DF'd in June, no letter, no phone call. I learned of it through the family grapevine.
As for the children, we cold turkey stopped going to the meetings. Our children were 15 and 16 at the time. They were first hand observers of hypocrisy, double standards, and pharisaical elders. The oldest continued for a few months to drive herself to the KH, but was received coolly. It didn't take long for some heart to heart discussions to occur. Neither of our children have pursued a life with JWs.
Bottom line - there is no easy way to leave. It's much like the line in the song Hotel California: You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave!
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Happy 60th Birthday Mulan!
by Princess intoday is the big day!
mom is in vegas with my dad, oldest brother and his wife.
she told me she was bringing her laptop so post your birthday greetings below.. .
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mrs rocky2
A very happy birthday to you! - Rocky & Linda
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Is this swearing, to a JW?
by wordlywife insaying "jesus" or "judas priest", as when watching a football game and a call or play is bad?
my jw husband does this frequently.. .
would this be considered swearing by the average witness?.
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mrs rocky2
I was reproved for using "what a turkey." Also very offensive is "that sucks." But a lot of JWs I knew couldn't stop using "gosh, golly, gee whiz, lordy."
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WT Prays for LA Storm victims
by JT inthis morning at brooklyn bethel, patterson and wt farms the governing body offered a prayer in behalf of all of the citizens in the la area.
that jehovah provide the needed protection for all citizens who will be impacted.. .
the gb prayed that those who would be risking their lives, such as essential personeel will have the needed strength to help all citizens.. .
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mrs rocky2
If anyone is thinking of giving to charities to help victims of Katrina, the Better Business Bureau has a list of organizations that carry their seal of approval.
http://www.give.org/seal/participants.asp
Of course, not all charities on their list have a direct link to providing relief for hurricane victims, but there are some that do.
You will notice WTBTS and JWs missing from their list.
It is so sad that there are people who would take advantage of a disaster to prey upon others, whether it be financially, emotionally, or spiritually. (I can hear my sister-in-law already, "It's the Great Tribulation...." Every disaster since the Gulf War to 9/11 - it's all the Great Tribulation!)
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Your thoughts about Wal-mart
by desbah in.
do you shop at wally world?
i can spend over $100.00 on little items, man shopping at wally world is the devil on my checkbook.
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Your thoughts about Wal-mart
by desbah in.
do you shop at wally world?
i can spend over $100.00 on little items, man shopping at wally world is the devil on my checkbook.
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mrs rocky2
I guess I'll have to speak about the other Washington, Eastern Washington. Wal-Mart has arrived in Spokane - one Super Store, and two regular Wal Marts. There are Super WMs in Colville, Moses Lake, Ephrata, Omak, Yakima, Kennewick. There are also regular Wal Marts in Richland, Pasco, Wenatchee and Walla Walla. Students attending Washington State University in Pullman have only to drive a short 7 miles to Moscow, ID to find a WM in that area.
WM has had a visible economic effect on the small businesses in the towns close to these cities. WM is a blessing and a bane - anyone on a limited income (or just trying to stretch their dollars) is drawn to their low prices. But as many here have voiced, they have less than honorable business practices. I am glad that the closest WM is just far enough away (about 40 miles) that I am not tempted to run there for every little thing, although I am guilty of being a patron. Who can resist a bargain? It is so painful to have such a social conscience!
My youngest also avoids Target, as she heard they made contributions to George W.'s presidential campaign.
Mrs R
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Rape, two witnesses, DNA, and rape kit
by Fatfreek inforgive, please, if this has been asked.
my google wasn't much help.. does the society yet recognize dna, a rape kit, etc., as evidence that could supplant a "second witness" which they have always insisted on?.
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Don't forget, all of this is subject to interpretation by the local BOE. In Rocky's case, he was DF'd on the word of two - one was a JW, the other was not.